that everyone hates the irs. if this goes deeper, that some of these people were actually partisans even though they were civil servants, that's where the government will have a lot of problems. >> do you think it ever gets that deep? you indicated a few moments ago that the gop would programs be well advised to try to talk to as many of these low level irs workers as possible. do you think we ever get to the bottom of it? >> i don't know if we'll get to the bottom of it but i would believe they'll bring in some of these people. mr. miller is passing the buck down. he is saying i was informed but it was these hapless people trying to make their workload efficient. so i have to believe that the committees are going to reach into these happenless people. say why don't you come in and tell us if that's what you were really doing. at that point they'll say, tell us a little about yourself. i think there is a lot of shoes to drop in this yet. >> it looks like you want to jump in there. >> he has roped the door by layi